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Post by Keira on Aug 30, 2007 20:23:31 GMT -5
I think most people categorize her as such, because of how little we see of her, and what it is we see of her. Like you said, Artemis, we know she's boy crazy and is sexually active. She ends up pregnant and married as a young teenager, which is usually a sad story. But during the period of The Outsiders, she was approximately 13/14 wasn't she? Or am I getting that mixed up? I believe she's younger than Curly...
Though, because of her post TWTTIN life... you would think that more people would tend to realize that she's a married mother now, and not going to be throwing herself at guys (or I'd hope she wouldn't, lol). Of course that's where fanfiction, and the ability to do whatever you want with characters and their lives, comes into play. But if people are going for a realistic approach, then maybe they should try and keep that in mind *Shrugs*. Of course, this WAS about two years after The Outsiders took place.
I don't have much to say on this topic because I'm not one to see her as sleeping with any guy who is good looking and looks in her direction - though I do tend to think along the lines of her being the somewhat stereotyped b*tch.
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Post by xolilkelox1 on Aug 30, 2007 20:44:08 GMT -5
I think people see her this way because of how Brain protrayes her the twttin.In the book after she gets married she agrees to on a drive with Brain and Mark where she gets drunk.I think she is a girl trying to get out of her big brothers shadow and try to live her own life but by doing so made some mistakes. I think Angela also would feel suffocated from her brothers protection and would probally want to test her brothers.
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Post by zevie on Aug 30, 2007 20:49:18 GMT -5
There are so many girls who end up with a really loose record - Sylvia, Evie, Two-Bit's blondes...there was a line in there somewhere but I'm not sure I got it right, lol. I doubt any of their reputations were completely based on fact. The smallest thing can get you a bad rep - just the insinuation that you're sleeping around would be enough. Come on, we all remember high school right? (Or are there now.)
Angela seems like someone who would go after what they want without hesitation, so I bet having a reputation as a strong girl as well as boy-crazy would probably be enough to give her a reputation as being loose - as opposed to someone like Sandy, who seemed lily-pure (thanks for that line, lol) but actually slept with someone else (by most records, anyway). She's pretty and sassy, therefore, she must be giving it up. Hahaha...
So, I bet she's got a heck of a reputation, but, since she's Timmy's lil sis and all, I agree with all the above reasons - I doubt it would be true.
Also...I thought she wasn't a mother after TWTTIN - married, yes, but I think the pregnancy was just a scare. My impression was that she didn't end up having a baby - but I could be wrong.
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Post by fairlane on Aug 30, 2007 21:11:22 GMT -5
Your right Zevie. I checked my copy of the book and she says..."I thought I was having - I mean, I thought I was, but I wasn't "
So she presumably after having unprotected sex was late, or maybe felt sick, and assumed she was pregnant and quickly got married. It would have been totally shamefull to her and her family. There would have been a big double standard back then, even more so than there is now.
I've never thought of Tim and Curly as being all that overprotective of her. An older brother beating up a guy who hurts his sister is almost expected. It doesn't necesarily mean that extends to who she dates or anything.
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Post by BlindedxxFalcon on Aug 31, 2007 12:57:44 GMT -5
I've never thought of Tim and Curly as being all that overprotective of her. An older brother beating up a guy who hurts his sister is almost expected. It doesn't necesarily mean that extends to who she dates or anything. Agreed. I don't read many Angela fics, but I have read one or two. I'd like to read a good one, any suggestions? |
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Post by Keira on Aug 31, 2007 19:08:14 GMT -5
Whoops! My bad. Shows you all how long it's been since I cracked open that book 
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Post by Ryker on Sept 4, 2007 11:55:09 GMT -5
I love the title of this thread.
I think Angela's portrayed like that by Fanficcers is because the protagonist doesn't like her. I mean we've seen it before, right? Ponyboy hates Steve, Bob and at the start Darry, and if you've noticed, they are the main disliked characters in fandom (especially by the younger audience). I think that's why she's portrayed in this slutty bitch image. Which is sad, cause I think the disliked ones are the most interesting characters.
I'd so love to see an Angela fic.
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Post by Maddiecake on Sept 4, 2007 19:56:13 GMT -5
In some ways I kind of think Angela is like Eponine in Les Miserables. Honestly, I have no idea why because Eponine is this kind of hopeless romantic in the musical, but... anyway... I mean, in the sense that she's tough. True, she isn't beating up 2974902 socs at a time like many other female characters fanfiction writers insert (and I am aware that she isn't an insert), but she's got that sort of attitude.
I don't think she's a slut. True, she might have slept with a few people, but she wouldn't be sleeping with anyone that came along.
And I'd also like to read a well-written Angela fic.
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Post by Nittanylizard on Sept 4, 2007 20:50:06 GMT -5
Oh my gosh, I love that you made that comparison ^. I almost said that the biggest difference would be that while Eponine admits that she knows where she stands in the world, Angela might be more inclined to expect to get the guy that she wants, regardless of his social status. But now that I think about it, if it were well-written and somebody really got into Angela's head, I could see her knowing that Joe Richboy will never be hers. I could see that passion in her. What I couldn't see is her taking a bullet so he can have the girl he really wants, lol.
I always thought it would be really cool to do an Outsiders/Les Mis AU parallel story (not a crossover, mind you; more like a more modern telling of the story) where Dally is equivalent to Valjean. Having traveled a similar path and started his life over again under a different name (as a political figure of some sort), his identity is compromised when somebody from his past recognizes him.
Anyway, I'm not even sure that it could be pulled off. But I always thought that Dally and Valjean shared similar qualities and could believably have reacted the same way in the same situation.
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Post by zevie on Sept 4, 2007 21:00:19 GMT -5
It took me a second to get out of the musical!!! mind frame and remember that Les Mis is a literary work, lol. It makes sense with the serious play/novel but...but... the image of Dally screeching "Bring him hooooome..." Oh man. Major high school musical flashbacks.
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Post by Nittanylizard on Sept 5, 2007 7:01:01 GMT -5
It took me a second to get out of the musical!!! mind frame and remember that Les Mis is a literary work, lol. It makes sense with the serious play/novel but...but... the image of Dally screeching "Bring him hooooome..." Oh man. Major high school musical flashbacks. LOL! Yeah, I read (most of) the book many years ago. Naturally, with the story being so condensed for the musical, the part where ValJean realizes that there's some good in the world and he maybe can make himself a better person takes about three minutes (one song), whereas in the book it's a full day, pages long, of anger and agonizing; he even steals a coin from a little boy after leaving the bishop's house. |
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Post by Maddiecake on Sept 5, 2007 7:21:34 GMT -5
Yes! I remember that part... I'm four-hundred-something pages ahead of it now, but still...
If Dally was Valjean, than who would be Javert? The image of any of the greasers singing is pretty hilarious, but Dally doesn't seem like the kind who would sing, but he would have a pretty decent voice. And everyone else would have these awful cat-dying-from-flamethrower voices and they would think they're the best.
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Post by anotherillusion on Sept 5, 2007 9:14:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Angela is loose, but I'm worried I'm guilty of writing her that way. I think I'll address this in the next couple of chapters.
The way I see it, she respects her brothers, Tim the most, I can see her being a little sassy. She probably gives Tim a run for her money, as I see him being the most responsible one in his family. I think she has had negative role models in men, her dad probably left early on and I see that being why she would go from guy to guy. She's still young in the Outsiders and That was Then...so while I think she may have a few boyfriends, I don't see her going that far. I hope that was coherent in some way.
Another Illusion
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Post by zevie on Sept 5, 2007 14:59:44 GMT -5
I agree, mars. I bet Tim and Curly would go after whatever guy they knew that hurt Angela - emphasis on whatever they *knew*. I don't think Angela would go telling them every time a boy dissed her - Ponyboy didn't get his ass kicked, and neither did Bryon just for breaking up with her. I think Angela would probably conceal a lot from her brothers - partly because of pride, and for privacy, but also she probably recognizes that they have their own things to deal with. I can see her not wanting to get in their way - but, I can also see her not letting their gang stuff stand in *her* way, lol.
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Post by fairlane on Sept 5, 2007 15:10:17 GMT -5
I definately think all three siblings would have been protective of each other. But Tim and Curlys' reaction is understandable, most guys would probably have the same feelings if someone did that to their sister - even if they didn't actually act on them. So I don't see him as unreasonable in that instance anyway.
I was actually just re-reading the book last night, I havn't read it in years. And Bryon is really a jerk to her. He can't deal with the fact that she dumped him because he considers himself this big ladies man.
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