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Post by fairlane on May 3, 2007 23:48:23 GMT -5
Namely of course; Soda/Sandy Steve/Evie Dally/Sylvia I find it interesting that these relationships are almost never seen in fanfiction. There is a lot of stories that involve Dally and Soda in a romantic relationship of some sort, but it is usually with an added character. To be fair of course I haven't read everything on there, but just in general I don't see stories with the canon girls. Yet, in theory at least, they are good characters to write. They only get a mention in the book and never actually appear, all we know is that Sandy has blond hair and blue eyes, Sylvia and Sandy both cheat on there boyfriends, Evie is not described at all. There personalities and motivations are totally open. Further, there is no need for the writer to try and justify their place in the story and in hanging out with the gang. I actually think Sylvia/Dally could be intriguing to write about (and have attempted it myself even) because of the dynamics of him going to jail, her cheating on him, etc. I always wonder if it's because the girls are not seen sympathetically, or for other reasons. So, what does everyone else think  |
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Post by Tensleep on May 4, 2007 0:52:20 GMT -5
I think you have a valid point. You don't see stories centering around these romances. My theory is that they come in between the authoress and her dream/fantasy romance with these fictional men. So they simply have to go and are replaced by herself. Hell, I'm guilty of it, too. I mean, in my head Steve and Evie don't end up together, but the gal I have him with is definitely not me, so there is a saving grace there. I hope someone does write one of these cannon (is that the word I'm looking for? And don't say a word about that dictionary, Keira) romances. It's an oldie, but not when you look at how everyone ignores it. might make for a nice change! See ya in the funny papers!!! Tens Edit by Keira: WORDWORDWORDWORD. Word.  Dude...you really make me wonder sometimes....And edit your own posts or I'll shun you! |
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Post by zevie on May 4, 2007 13:52:35 GMT -5
I love the canon pairings too!
I've actually seen a lot of fics where Steve is with Evie, but usually that's when he's relegated to the background and Evie's just a simple choice. But, I've also read a couple of amazing St/Evie fics. Funny enough, they strike me as the healthiest of the three. Soda and Sandy I barely see - unless the story demonizes Sandy or makes her a flat "perfect-girlfriend" character. I think I remember that Dallas/Sylvia pairings USED to be quite common - back in the day where you could count the number of Outsiders fics on ffn on both hands, haha. I started one recently, but it's turning out to be too hard for me and I'm much too terrified to post it, heh. There's a lot of strong opinions on Dallas, and I think anyone tackling a canon romance would have twice the challenge - both getting him in character and explaining his romantic situation from the book. (Same for all three actually.) This might be part of the reason why no one writes them (I know I steer clear of romance out of sheer laziness - except for one fic I'm posting which I don't think counts, heh). And I think adding OFCs is a good chance for writers to practice their own character creating skills - it's one of the obvious ways a new character can be added and still interact with the group.
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Post by fairlane on May 4, 2007 19:14:27 GMT -5
marsonfire, I also see the relationship between Sylvia and Dally as being one where they are bad for each other yet something is keeping them together, although that is why I'm interested in trying to write it!
Zevie I think you have a good point about the challenge of trying to write Dally in a relationship, although like marsonfire I don't actually see them as being in love, I do think there would be a lot of intense emotions and feelings between them - just not necesarily healthy ones lol. Trying to show that in Dally is definatly hard, I've written 2 chapters of a story on them and not posted any of it.
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Post by Keira on May 5, 2007 17:19:08 GMT -5
I personally don't care much about pairings. I only ever get bothered by the blatantly, in-your-face author insertion pairings. But, I'm not big on the romance genre. It's not my cuppa, if you know what I mean. I don't mind romance IN the story, but stories that focus on romance I typically don't read unless strongly encouraged to, by someone who knows my tastes.
I WAS always intrigued by Evie though. We know very little about her, but I figure she's gotta be one heck of a gal if she's with Steve, haha. I love Steve. I do. But he is a punk though, you have to admit.
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Post by latch22 on May 6, 2007 5:27:37 GMT -5
Syliva and Dallas must have some sort of a history, or an interesting relationship, or at least some sort of respect for each other, if they keep going back to one another. Or perhaps it's the familiarity--the certainty? Their feelings towards each other would likely be fascinating to explore. It's toxicity and dysfunction at its peak, so why do they return? I think Dallas has some sort of attraction to the dysfunction of it all. It's what he's used to--it's pretty well all he knows, and I don't believe that he has much inclination to change that.
Steve and Evie... I would love to read about that. I'm not much of a pairing or romance person at all, but they are my OTP. What bothers me is the way that she's written; demonic, catty, slutty, bad to him. But why would Steve bother dating her if she made his life miserable? And, let's not forget, she *did* cry when he was arrested. So it's likely that she possesses a lot of defining greaser girl characteristics, but did anyone actually say, or even imply, that she cheated on Steve or was bad to him? Since we know next to nothing about her except that she dates Steve, she seems like a "greasy broad" to Pony, and that Pony isn't particularly fond of her (but since when was Pony's word law, anyway? He doesn't even like Steve--why would he like his girlfriend any better?), it seems difficult to piece together who she could be, and much easier to resort to the common version. But consider who Steve is, really think about it, and I think that that is how you could come up with not only an interesting, realistic character that Steve would be likely to date, but also quite a relationship dynamic.
Soda and Sandy... Okay, I should just get this out of the way right now: Sandy is almost always either described as a Soc or "middle-classer," or complete trash. But can you see Soda dating someone like that and being seriously in love with them? Pony specifically said that, yes, she was a greaser, like one of them, but she was nice. Anyway, I shift from being sort of interested to not really caring all that much. Mostly, just not really being too interested, other than the effect it has on Soda's character.
No one mentioned Kathy and Two-Bit? Why not? We know more about her than we do Evie, I think, and Two-Bit is a more appreciated (albeit misused...) character than Steve, and yet we hear more about Steve's girl than Two-Bit's... Hmm. I definitely like how marsonfire handled her character.
But they are the only girls, really, besides Cherry and Marcia, that we know the guys interact with. That's part of what makes them interesting.
Cheers!
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Post by zevie on May 6, 2007 12:41:57 GMT -5
Okay, I'm dumb... What's an OTP? There are so many terms specific to fanfiction, half the time I'm lost.  |
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Post by Ryker on May 14, 2007 11:45:10 GMT -5
Steve and Evie is my fave pairing, though I don't like the fics where Evie is made out to be a B****y airhead. Like latch22 said, they girl did cry when her boyfriend got hauled away by the fuzz. I have only read two stories where I've liked the way Evie was portrayed, one was by Artemis(I think) and the other by Kelby.
I don't really like Sandy/Soda, but that's because I can not write Soda. I honestly don't know how to write him (well, I wrote a oneshot on him and that was hard enough, lol) and the same would go for Sandy. With those two it's too easy to tread into MS territory.
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Post by fairlane on May 14, 2007 19:45:53 GMT -5
I can't believe I forgot Two Bit and Kathy, like I haven't read the book fifty times lol.
Sandy and Soda at first just seem like the perfect couple and pretty generic, so it adds a bit of interest that she cheated on him. Soda seems to have strong emotions so maybe Sandy finds him really suffocating. Especially after the loss of his parents and the tension between his brothers, maybe he leans on her a lot for support and she finds it too much to handle. Well that would probably be my angle anyway lol. I have a bit of an aversion to writing romance though.
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Post by Masquerade on May 21, 2007 12:42:45 GMT -5
I wrote a story (my first one, actually) where it was after the book, and part of the plot was Sandy coming back to Tulsa to visit her parents. I know it probably sounds gag-worthy or something. But NOOOO, they did NOT fall back in love! That is one of my pet-peeves. :S
I agree, the girls are often made out to be way too slutty or just total bitches. It's a tough thing to write, I think. Maybe that's why I tend to stay away from the stories with females as main characters. Also they are made way, way too Mary-Sue!
Anyway. I like Evie the most, I think.
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